Activity – Ben – Pirates with Ben

CrazyIvan replied 3 years, 9 months ago

I think these formats looked to be very well thought out and I like the bans in each. I like that the Semi-Limited format only deals with the most egregious pieces, but still leaves most things untouched and would be far more enthusiastic about potentially playing in more serious events with those rules settings. Personally I feel that “how Wizkids intended” is more that they just had a hands off approach to the game, which has always put me off trying to play the game more competitively.

I’m actually surprised at how many things you’ve hit in the Limited format, but it definitely includes a lot of the biggest players so it would actually be quite interesting to see what people might come up with in this format as well.

A few ships that didn’t make your list that I had on a list I’d already made myself were Longshanks, HMS Oxford and La Bonne Chance. The first two are just too cheap for how good they are in my opinion and I think the speed of La Bonne Chance makes it too overbearing against smaller ships. Arguably all these ships are still a step down from a lot of the ships you’ve banned for Limited though so I’m not sure they necessarily need dealing with.
- Ben replied 3 years, 9 months ago
  
  Thanks for the feedback!
  Longshanks is a reasonable candidate for Limited, but I didn’t want to go too far down the rabbit hole of banning treasure runners that are “too good”. Generally stopped at Bloody Jewel. If you ban Longshanks, Bonnie Liz probably gets banned too, and then it opens up Monarca and various others. I know it’s subjective, but wanted to not ban a ton of ships simply for being good.
  
  I don’t think Oxford or Bonne Chance should be considered for Limited. Neither are all that overpowered, and Oxford brings up a similar rabbit hole to Longshanks – if Oxford is banned, then Dover and London probably need it too. Bonne Chance to me is just a simple and good gunship. Other ships are capable of similar damage outputs for the same total cost (Raven, Executioner, etc).
  - CrazyIvan replied 3 years, 9 months ago
    
    Statistically the La Bonne Chance does much more damage than both of those examples when you consider the built-in reroll and she also has an extra mast. I’d argue she’s more like a faster version of the HMS Nautilus. Like I said before though I do still think she’s a step down from the Limited bans you currently have so I wouldn’t really push much for her inclusion.
    - Ben replied 3 years, 9 months ago
      
      Exactly, we both agree she’s not worth banning even in a “Limited” setting.
Captain Vendari replied 3 years ago

I would amend the section on Shipwrights in Limited to read “Shipwrights gain the text ‘This crew does does not take up cargo space.'” Gets the same point across, but reads more like it gains the ability rather than a simple rule change.
- Ben replied 3 years ago
  
  Good point, but that originated from the Seattle house rules where the intention was for it to be a rule rather than an ability. Partly so it wouldn’t violate the No-Stacking Rule with Oarsman that also doesn’t take up cargo space. I understand the distinction could be a little confusing. I think I’d prefer to play more games with the house rule before changing anything.
Brian replied 2 years, 3 months ago

Have you considered a draft game mode? I know the logistics would be rather expensive with the packs not being cheap anymore. But I was considering something like players get 3 packs. They open each pack and select 1 ship or crew from each pack. Then the rest go into an open pot. Players roll off for selection once everyone has selected roll off again till the pot is gone? Heck maybe even play a little game of liars dice for it if you want and have time. Lol open to suggestions.
- Ben replied 2 years, 3 months ago
  
  Brian,
  Sounds like fun! That seems to be a hybrid of a couple different things I’ve seen done in the past – a sealed pack game (where people build a fleet from the packs they open), and a Draft format. On page 6 of the old tournament rules, there is a section about sealed events. At Miniature Trading we had both a Draft Fleet Challenge and a Sealed Pack Fleet Challenge, but unfortunately most of the threads involving them seem to be lost to the depths.
  
  I don’t think I’ve heard of the idea of combining both though. I can add that to the Game Ideas page.
  - Brian replied 2 years, 3 months ago
    
    Cool ya it just so happens that I bought a whole bunch of boxes of packs. Cuse I make smart financial decisions without impulsive actions. And I just wanted to see what you thought.
    - Ben replied 2 years, 3 months ago
      
      Sealed pack games would be a fun way to break some of them out! Especially if you plan to open all of them soon anyway – might as well get the experience of a sealed format before doing so again requires a further purchase.

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