Kickstarter/etc to buy rights to the game from NECA?

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  • #3526

    Ben
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    Wizkids (owned by NECA) still seems to have the rights to make Pirates CSG.  How stupid would it be for someone like me to start a Kickstarter or other crowdfunding page to pool money in order to buy the rights away from NECA?

    Do you think they would quickly get it shut down?  Would I be up for potential jail time if I was the one behind it?

    I know this is just a silly idea, and I don’t think we would be able to sway NECA at all.  Just hiring a lawyer to talk to them about selling the license to the game (assuming that’s even a thing) could cost multiple thousands.

    Just felt like posting this for once.  Once in a while I get bored posting to IG/Youtube/fleets/etc, and want to suddenly get more serious and force the issue a bit.  I did send a link to the James Ernest podcast to both of their FB accounts, but no real response from either as of now.

    #3527

    Jeremiah
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    I’ve never used Kickstarter but I don’t know what would be illegal about attempting to buy it from them. I guess the big issue I see would be that it would make you the owner of the license not some other corporation. (not that you personally are the issue just that once the ball is in your court where do we go from there? Would kickstarter also include money to buy the capital necessary to produce more pirates? How does supporting buying the license further help the return of pirates? I know if means we have the potential to make new ones but I think you would want to sell a broader package than just the license purchasing.)

    I would almost see a kickstarter for raising funds to start a new and separate pirates csg company being more likely than just buying the license. That way people who support the Kickstart would/could become shareholders in the new company. Then with the purchase of the license and a small set up for printing you could revive the game and just sell via online purchases or whatnot to people and of course those who helped support the company.

    I’ll give this more thought but this is my initial impression.

    #3529

    Ben
    Keymaster

    I guess the big issue I see would be that it would make you the owner of the license not some other corporation.

    Indeed, I would likely set up some kind of corporation to get past legal loopholes and whatnot.  It is confusing and I’d have to do a lot of research – even if funds were somehow raised to convince them to sell the license, where does it get “placed” legally?

    not that you personally are the issue just that once the ball is in your court where do we go from there?

    I certainly like the idea of making money on Pirates after all I’ve done, but honestly I also like the idea of somehow making it public domain so anyone can make anything and nobody gets sued for it.  XD

    Would kickstarter also include money to buy the capital necessary to produce more pirates?

    That’s where it seems like a community this small would have trouble.  Who knows what NECA would even want for the license to make Pirates CSG stuff – it seems like $10,000+ or in the tens of thousands would be a bare minimum given the prior success of the product and what could be done with it long term.  It would be devastating to somehow raise a huge amount only for them to not fork it over for nearly any amount for whatever reason(s).  I would imagine that producing enough sets/cards to turn a small profit would cost far more than the license.

    How does supporting buying the license further help the return of pirates?

    I mean if the license were in the hands of the community or public domain, myself and/or others certainly would have a Kickstarter by now to make the game again.

    I know if means we have the potential to make new ones but I think you would want to sell a broader package than just the license purchasing.

    Great point, I just wanted to throw the idea out there.  The legal stuff is the first hurdle, I wasn’t thinking much past that because even buying the license would seem to be an enormous sum.

    I would almost see a kickstarter for raising funds to start a new and separate pirates csg company being more likely than just buying the license. That way people who support the Kickstart would/could become shareholders in the new company. Then with the purchase of the license and a small set up for printing you could revive the game and just sell via online purchases or whatnot to people and of course those who helped support the company.

    That makes sense.

    I hate to admit it, but I’m not that hopeful about this, at least not in the short term.  I can hardly get the community to post on forums or answer messages, let alone raise thousands of dollars.  I just want to force the issue a bit and get people’s opinions on what is even remotely possible from a starting point.

    #3530

    Robert
    Participant

    I don’t think the community is big enough. We need to bring in more people. Even if NECA gave you the license for free, the amount of money required to produce a reasonable number of packs would probably be pretty high.

     

    There is however, a lot of people who have nostalgia for this game, and there is not a CSG on the market currently. I feel like the fact that there is no other CSG on the market is the key to bringing this or a similar game back.

    #3531

    Ben
    Keymaster

    There is however, a lot of people who have nostalgia for this game, and there is not a CSG on the market currently. I feel like the fact that there is no other CSG on the market is the key to bringing this or a similar game back.

    I didn’t know that, but I feel like the nostalgia factor would be at least as big a factor as the CSG thing.

    #3532

    Robert
    Participant

    This is entirely anecdotal, but after posting a picture of my pirates collection to my Snapchat story, I received atleast 3-4 messages expresssing nostalgia for the game.

    keep in mind I only have 30~ or so friends and none of the people who messaged me play any sort of tabletop games at present.

     

     

    #3533

    Ben
    Keymaster

    This is entirely anecdotal, but after posting a picture of my pirates collection to my Snapchat story, I received atleast 3-4 messages expresssing nostalgia for the game.

    keep in mind I only have 30~ or so friends and none of the people who messaged me play any sort of tabletop games at present.

    Exactly; that’s great to hear!!  Hopefully you could get them back into the game!  Although in my experience, a lot of people seem to have moved on permanently and don’t like hearing that it’s now out of print.

    #3542

    Mechavelli
    Participant

    I think the idea to create a new Pirates company and have investors be shareholders is a good idea, at least for marketing your pitch to people who might want to donate money to you. It would be an extremely expensive venture, especially considering how Wizkids went under in part because the Pirates packs were so expensive to produce for the value they were sold for.

    You’ll need to have a solid business plan worked out and an airtight case done before you go up to anybody with donation requests, much less the title-holder company. I don’t know if it can be done, but I would look into it if there’s no possibility of a comeback happening and you feel invested enough.

    #3556

    Ben
    Keymaster

    I think the idea to create a new Pirates company and have investors be shareholders is a good idea, at least for marketing your pitch to people who might want to donate money to you. It would be an extremely expensive venture, especially considering how Wizkids went under in part because the Pirates packs were so expensive to produce for the value they were sold for.

    You’ll need to have a solid business plan worked out and an airtight case done before you go up to anybody with donation requests, much less the title-holder company. I don’t know if it can be done, but I would look into it if there’s no possibility of a comeback happening and you feel invested enough.

    Makes a lot of sense, thanks for the feedback.

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