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How about “The Teacher – Someone who spends their time teaching new players and mostly plays very basic games with less experienced players.”
That’s me these days. I don’t play solo, and there are no experienced players near me so I try to teach new people the game at my LGS.
<span style=”color: #000000; font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Helvetica, Arial, ‘Lucida Grande’, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;”>I’m curious about other forms of packaging and release type. What you get in one pack doesn’t really allow for building a 40 point fleet, let alone one that makes much sense. I could see starter packs in the $10-$20 range, maybe with some guarantee of useful generic crew while still having a collectible aspect as well.</span>
Yeah, that’s right, but you can play. I think that is valuable for new players to know that the thing they bought can be used right away. Like I said, on the contrary, in MTG and other TCGs you can’t even play the game if you buy a pack or two. I like the idea that they could create a starter box or something. It would have to be very well-balanced, though.
I’m just thinking about how crazy-popular TCGs have become. I run an online shop for MTG cards, which are always in demand. There is a market theory called the long tail, which refers to the fact that demand for a product (especially a collectible) never reaches zero. The advent of the internet proved this theory correct.
The game and its collectibility would make it a force to be reckoned with. A lot of people, myself included, love miniature war games but that the DIY aspect that they demand. I don’t want to spend days building and painting an army or a fleet to play. Pirates solved the issue by keeping that to a minimum. You can open packs and build a fleet in 10 minutes or less.
A lot of TT gamers are history nerds as well. I think people would really get on board with a relaunch.
My last point is that at the height of Pirates popularity board games were not that popular. There has been a revolution in the tabletop world. I would say that, yes the market is more competitive and cutthroat than ever, but the player base is also way larger. Again I compare it to what is popular. with Pirates you and your buddy can each buy a pack and play a game. compare that to MTG, where in order to play sealed with 2 people, you have to buy at least 6 packs each. That’s about $30 per person. and even then, you’ll need lands that they assume you already have. To me, it’s a no-brainer.
You can get a quick look here.
They look ok for that era.
My question would be; were there creative changes or rule changes made in order to facilitate it being a video game? How close was it to a 1:1?
I was sad to miss the 20th anniversary showing but the movie is a masterpiece. It felt like the Starwars of my generation. Everything pirates related exploded after that movie.
“The Bounty” Is a good naval movie and is based on a true story. Not about Pirates though.
There is also “Black Sails” which is a prequel TV series to the novel Treasure Island.
I have to say that I mostly agree with Andrew here. The only benefit of a digital version of the game that I see is that it would do the same thing vassal does now. i.e. let players from around the world play together. Perhaps it would bring some new players to the game but in my experience, with tabletop games going digital it won’t help much. Personally, I wouldn’t be interested in a digital version at all. I already have a list of video games a mile long to finish. The last thing I want or need is another digital game to take up more of my time. I turn to tabletop games to get away from my computer. I feel like many other people are the same. It’s so nice to get together with people and have a social experience of playing a tabletop game. That experience does not translate well to an online environment.
On the manufacturing side, I just don’t believe that you couldn’t make it work. I do believe that WizKids had a hard time in the past and that for them they would not have been able to continue. I also believe they ran themselves into the ground by making so many sets so fast. That means they were constantly changing production. They had to be buying new dies all the time. If they would have adopted a slower release schedule they may have been able to salvage things. Look at the number of miniature games on the market. Most of the successful ones do not release new stuff that often. The ones that do have been around long enough to have the capital to throw where they need it. So again I don’t think for a second that manufacturing would be the primary issue.
Ben, at this point I have listened to most of your podcasts and I had some time to think about this. Why are you so adamant about Pirates returning as Pirates CSG? Why is it so important to you that it returns in the same form under the same name? I just feel like you could do more and go farther if the same or similar game was resurrected under a new name with revised rules and its own sets. Like if there were another game that was a clone of Pirates CSG but was still actively worked on and in production I would go play that. At the end of the day, it’s not the Pirates CSG name or legacy that keeps me interested it’s that in my opinion there is nothing else like this game on the market. It’s like you said above “(look at everything I’ve done, and not much to show for it)” I just don’t think the old WizKids folks want to be involved. Many of them probably thought the game was cool and interesting but at the end of the day, it was a paycheck. They were being paid to make a game that sells. And it did sell but the level of passion that the community has is not there.
Sorry to ramble on lol
I play Magic the Gathering a lot. I used to play competitively until Covid. Now I am out of the loop and probably won’t return. They release a set like every two months, which ruins the experience. Mainly because you are constantly chasing the meta. I never enjoy the meta playstyle in any game, and I like to homebrew and make exciting deck ideas that no one else has. I will, however, still play the casual commander format.
I also have a Risk playgroup where we have like 10-hour play sessions with house rules and campaigns, which are super fun.
I have always wanted to get into a Wargame like Warhammer or LOTR but they are so expensive and I have no desire to pay a ton of money only to build and paint my own minis.
Pirates really are like the best mix of a miniature wargame and a TCG.
EDIT: Can’t forget chess. It’s the classic strategy game that I think is essential for any gamer.
You’re probably right about the deterioration of the sealing agent. Probably some type of glue.
That leads me to another question then. Is there a reason why you don’t buy sealed packs?
I have always found that cracking packs is fun. I like the mystery. Especially in this game where the sets are not quite so packed. Many other TCGs it is just not worth it to crack packs unless it’s just something you do for fun.
I got a booster box of RV and it was super fun to open those packs and see what I got. Sure there were some duplicates but I’d say I got pretty lucky with pulling unique ships.
That’s good. I was also wondering because I got some packs of CC and a couple of them the bottom seal looked odd and I got an American crew. I didn’t know that was possible in CC but I looked it up and there is one American ship in the set.
Very good. I meany more along the lines of how to spot a deal if you’re someone who isn’t up to date with the current market.
Edit: I just thought of it like what if you assigned a rough estimate on how much a pack from each set is worth. Obviously, some people would value them higher or lower but something to help ensure a newbie doesn’t get ripped off.
I just picked up a couple of packs of Crimson Coast because that’s what I had when I stopped playing. but it was a way more active auction than I thought it would be.
Do you have any specific recommendations?
Very cool I was a Marine infantryman but I spent about 11 months on this beauty
Best of luck to you though!
Hello, all. I’m DBAR, But you can call me Cody. I just rediscovered this game after many years. I first bought into the game during crimson coast, but I was young then and didn’t fully grasp its mechanics. My friends and I would often play at my kitchen table after school. It’s doubtful that we played correctly, but I still have fond memories of those times.
I recently had a discussion with my co-workers about wargaming because everyone I work with plays Warhammer, and some also play some other miniature-based wargames. I suddenly remembered that I used to play a game with miniatures that punched out of a card. No one had ever heard of it. This led me down a rabbit hole of searching for the game’s name and news of what happened to it. After some searching, I finally found the name and then saw some pictures. I was capsized by nostalgia.
In my search, I discovered Ben’s youtube channel and, ultimately, this community. I am super excited to be here to learn about the game and get some models again!
