Pirates CSG Podcast #59: GAME DESIGNER MIKE MULVIHILL (Part 1: Game Origins, Wizkids, Point Costing, Set Creation)

Pirates CSG Podcast #59: GAME DESIGNER MIKE MULVIHILL (Part 1: Game Origins, Wizkids, Point Costing, Set Creation)

You can listen to the audio via Spotify for Podcasters!

You can also listen on Archive.org.

Marques Miguel Antonio from Davy Jones' Curse - Mike Mulvihill's personal crew in the game

Marques Miguel Antonio from Davy Jones’ Curse – Mike Mulvihill’s personal crew in the game

Mike Mulvhill is one of the true giants of Wizkids Pirates CSG history, having designed the majority of the game pieces!  He was heavily involved in numerous aspects of the game from Spanish Main through Rise of the Fiends, and helped with certain aspects on Fire and Steel.  The game was basically his in terms of game design, concept creation, game mechanics and gameplay concepts, as well as rules, factions, and the specific individual game pieces.

 

Questions thread: https://pirateswithben.com/forums/topic/submit-your-questions-for-pirates-game-piece-creator-designer-mike-mulvihill/

Master Spreadsheet: http://bit.ly/PiratesCSGMasterSpreadsheet

Tilor’s database: https://tilorfire27.github.io/PiratesCSGDB/index.html

Schooner stern turn example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxY_W6zkE_o

Pokeships: https://pirateswithben.com/what-is-a-pokeship/

WotC patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US7201374B2/en

News article about settlement between Wizkids and WotC: https://icv2.com/articles/games/view/12811/wotc-wizkids-settle-lawsuit

Court case: https://pirateswithben.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Wizkids_CSG_complaint_2007.pdf

MT thread about faction discounts: https://pirateswithben.com/apparently-american-ships-automatically-costed-1-point-more-miniature-trading-forum-thread/

Pirates CSG on eBay: https://ebay.us/5C1kyR (affiliate link – purchasing through it will help support my content and efforts with the game!) This site contains affiliate links for which I may be compensated.

 

Thanks for listening!

 

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The following should eventually be updated from Anchor so they will be available when they get the podcast. 

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pirates-csg-podcast/id1258016060

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Google Play Music: https://play.google.com/music/m/Imxc6vplvkqlmagcvkxvi2er2wu?t=Pirates_CSG_Podcast

Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Pirates CSG Podcast #57: RedDragon and Captain Ron from Pirates CSG Online!

Pirates CSG Podcast #57: RedDragon and Captain Ron from Pirates CSG Online!

You can listen to the audio via Anchor!

You can also listen on Archive.org.

Questions of the Day:

Ben: Did you ever play the online version? If so, did you play against anyone in the Hall of Fame?

RedDragon/Captain Ron: Would you be interested in playing a version of Pirates CSG Online? Do you have any experience with making this kind of virtual game come to life?

 

Questions thread: https://pirateswithben.com/forums/topic/submit-your-questions-for-pirates-online-players-reddragon-and-captain-ron/

Their podcast: https://www.blogtalkradio.com/RedDragon

Pirates Online Hall of Fame: https://piratesonlinehof.blogspot.com/

More information about Pirates CSG Online:

https://icv2.com/articles/games/view/9147/wizkids-licenses-pirates-online

https://www.mobygames.com/game/44150/pirates-constructible-strategy-game-online/

https://web.archive.org/web/20191127130901/https://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.40966-Pirates-of-the-Spanish-Main-SOE-and-the-CSG

Download a non-working copy: https://www.gamepressure.com/download.asp?ID=14029

Thanks for listening!

My post about PCSG Online

Pirates CSG Online

Credit to GamesRadar for the pic.

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The following should eventually be updated from Anchor so they will be available when they get the podcast. 

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Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Pirates CSG Podcast #56: Former Wizkids Art Director Shane Hartley!

Pirates CSG Podcast #56: Former Wizkids Art Director Shane Hartley!

You can listen to the audio via Anchor!

You can also listen on Archive.org.

Thane Hartless, aka Shane Hartley, former Wizkids Art Director and graphic designer

Shane’s in-game crew, Thane Hartless from Mysterious Islands (#302, a Limited Edition Mercenary reroller)

Very excited to have Shane Hartley on the podcast! He was the Art Director and one of the graphic designers for Wizkids Pirates CSG throughout the production run, one of the core members of the team. He also made it into the game – you probably already knew him as Thane Hartless from Mysterious Islands!

His website: http://shanehartley.com/portfolio/items/pirates-of-the-spanish-main-csg/

Thane Hartless: https://psmlist.com/public/crew/MI302

Factory prototype cards acquired by Matt P: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468973063778730024/1077065658250039388/644D2BEE-B2EE-42E5-A524-EE094057D008.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468973063778730024/1077065659013410917/670DB04C-1E67-478D-9435-98B03050E563.jpg

Wizards of the Coast patent in question: https://patents.google.com/patent/US7201374B2/en

Shuffling the Deck version we mentioned: https://wizkids.com/pirates-of-the-spanish-main/

Mysterious Islands artwork: https://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/MainImage/STK315536
MI SE box: https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0320/22/pirates-csg-mysterious-islands_1_738e5372e7c0d70e7c26f05d86c64481.jpg

Questions thread: https://pirateswithben.com/forums/topic/submit-your-questions-for-graphic-art-and-packaging-designer-shane-hartley/

Disney Lorcana, the latest game he worked on: https://www.disneylorcana.com/en-US

Past podcasts: http://shoutengine.com/PiratesCSGPodcast/

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The following should eventually be updated from Anchor so they will be available when they get the podcast. 

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pirates-csg-podcast/id1258016060

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Google Play Music: https://play.google.com/music/m/Imxc6vplvkqlmagcvkxvi2er2wu?t=Pirates_CSG_Podcast

Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Pirates CSG Podcast #54: Captain Redgoat!

Pirates CSG Podcast #54: Captain Redgoat!

You can listen to the audio via Anchor!

 

Questions of the Day:
Ben: What is the highest number of players you’ve seen in a game?
Redgoat: What is your favorite historical ship?

Audio version: https://anchor.fm/a7xfanben/

You can also listen on Archive.org.

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The following should eventually be updated so they will be available when they get the podcast.

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Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/257e819a-bf7a-45d7-8523-bcda49d12139/pirates-csg-podcast

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/44vu9VrDaF1QABOSH8IRan

Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/a7xfanben/pirates-csg-podcast?refid=stpr

TuneIn: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports–Recreation-Podcasts/Pirates-CSG-Podcast-p1025637/

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Pocket Casts: http://pca.st/Svji

Pirates CSG Podcast #46: Former Rules Arbitrator Tony Vigil! (Piranha)

Pirates CSG Podcast #46: Former Rules Arbitrator Tony Vigil! (Piranha)

You can listen to the audio via ShoutEngine!

You can also listen on Archive.org.

Tony Vigil (Piranha) was the Rules Arbitrator before Woelf.

His store: http://neverlandgames.tcgplayerpro.com/

 

Questions of the Day

Piranha: What is your favorite house rule?

Ben: What is the most difficult Rules situation you have come across while playing Pirates CSG?

Thanks for listening!  Feel free to answer the Questions of the Day below!

Here is the thread for this podcast at Pirates with Ben: https://pirateswithben.com/forums/topic/submit-your-questions-for-rules-arbitrator-tony-vigil-piranha/

The Pirate Code: https://pirateswithben.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/The-Pirate-Code-FAQ-Dec-2016.pdf

Find all the game pieces in the Master Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Z-x-z9gaWiKFLk-kw1weamc0A1-NxMN3xLjWWKsUmA/edit?usp=sharing

 

Past podcasts: http://shoutengine.com/PiratesCSGPodcast/

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The following should eventually be updated from ShoutEngine so they will be available when they get the podcast.

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pirates-csg-podcast/id1258016060

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Google Play Music: https://play.google.com/music/m/Imxc6vplvkqlmagcvkxvi2er2wu?t=Pirates_CSG_Podcast

Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/a7xfanben/pirates-csg-podcast?refid=stpr

Pirates CSG Podcast #45: Former Wizkids Product Manager Tiffany O’Brien!

Pirates CSG Podcast #45: Former Wizkids Product Manager Tiffany O’Brien!

You can listen to the audio via Spotify for Podcasters!

You can also listen on Archive.org.

Tiffany O’Brien is one of the key figures of Pirates CSG history, having held multiple important positions at Wizkids while the game was still in print!

Questions thread: https://pirateswithben.com/forums/topic/submit-your-questions-for-pirates-designer-tiffany-obrien/

Questions of the Day:

(Tiffany) What is your favorite set packaging?

(Ben) Did you ever play the SOE (Sony Online Entertainment) digital version of the game?

 

Find her on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/skcorynaffit/

Past podcasts: http://shoutengine.com/PiratesCSGPodcast/

Tiffany O'Brien, aka Eileen Brigid O'Brien

Tiffany’s crew, Eileen Brigid O’Brien from Mysterious Islands!

 

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The following should eventually be updated from ShoutEngine so they will be available when they get the podcast. 

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pirates-csg-podcast/id1258016060

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Google Play Music: https://play.google.com/music/m/Imxc6vplvkqlmagcvkxvi2er2wu?t=Pirates_CSG_Podcast

Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/a7xfanben/pirates-csg-podcast?refid=stpr

Pirates CSG Podcast #43: Jason Mical! (former Wizkids Communications Manager)

Pirates CSG Podcast #43: Jason Mical! (former Wizkids Communications Manager)

You can listen to the audio via Spotify for Podcasters!

You can also listen on Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/PiratesCSGPodcast43JasonMical

 

Jason Mical was the Wizkids Communications Manager from 2003-2006.  Questions list on Pirates with Ben: https://pirateswithben.com/forums/topic/submit-your-questions-for-former-wk-communications-manager-jason-mical/

 

Questions of the Day: If you were to name a Pirate ship, what would you name it and why? (from Jason Mical)

What is your favorite flavor text of any game piece? (from Ben)

 

His website: https://www.jasonmicalwrites.com/

His YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/ClassicLetsPlay/videos

Expanse RPG: https://greenronin.com/expanse/

 

Find all the game pieces here:

Master Spreadsheet (stuff from Wizkids): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Z-x-z9gaWiKFLk-kw1weamc0A1-NxMN3xLjWWKsUmA/edit?usp=sharing

 

Past podcasts: http://shoutengine.com/PiratesCSGPodcast/

 

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Pirates packs on eBay: https://ebay.us/S14uSE This site contains affiliate links for which I may be compensated.

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The following should eventually be updated from ShoutEngine so they will be available when they get the podcast.

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pirates-csg-podcast/id1258016060

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Google Play Music: https://play.google.com/music/m/Imxc6vplvkqlmagcvkxvi2er2wu?t=Pirates_CSG_Podcast

Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/a7xfanben/pirates-csg-podcast?refid=stpr

 

Thanks for listening!  Feel free to answer the Questions of the Day below!   Jason Mical podcast!

Pirates CSG Podcast #42: MIKE SELINKER, Pirates CSG Game Designer!!!!

Pirates CSG Podcast #42: MIKE SELINKER, Pirates CSG Game Designer!!!!

You can listen to the audio via Anchor!

You can also listen on Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/PiratesCSGPodcast42MikeSelinker

 

Mike Selinker is one of the original game designers of Pirates CSG.

His company, Lone Shark Games: http://lonesharkgames.com/

http://lonesharkgames.com/staff-member/mike-selinker/

https://www.facebook.com/lonesharkgames/

Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Selinker

BGG page: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/604/mike-selinker

Twitter: https://twitter.com/mikeselinker

 

Question of the Day: Do you wish the Dutch had been a faction from the start in Spanish Main?  Would you prefer them as one of the major factions in the game?

The list of questions from the Forum at Pirates with Ben: https://pirateswithben.com/forums/topic/submit-your-questions-for-pirates-designer-mike-selinker/

 

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Sign the Petition!  https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bring-back-pirates-of-the-cursed-seas

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The following should eventually be updated from ShoutEngine so they will be available when they get the podcast.

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pirates-csg-podcast/id1258016060

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1258016060/pirates-csg-podcast

Google Play Music: https://play.google.com/music/m/Imxc6vplvkqlmagcvkxvi2er2wu?t=Pirates_CSG_Podcast

Blubrry: https://www.blubrry.com/piratescsgpodcast/

Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/a7xfanben/pirates-csg-podcast?refid=stpr

Ocean Play Mat – Many Options for Pirates Players

Ocean Play Mat Options – Which is Best?

A member of the Facebook group asks:

What do you use for a play mat? I’ve used a sheet once but it bunches and moves. Neoprene playmat?

I don’t quite have a favorite ocean play mat, but I’ve used many great options in the past.  In this post I’ll answer this question in detail, providing pictures and analysis for the ocean play mats that I use.

“Official” Options

European Pirates of the Spanish Main ocean play mat map

This is the mat that comes in European packs of Spanish Main (Unlimited Edition).

There are various “official” mats you can use.  For starters, European Spanish Main Unlimited packs contain a basic small plastic mat. (thanks to Holofernes and others for the detailed Wikipedia page)

Gale Force Nine released a vinyl map that you can see here.

Probably the most “famous” is from the Plunder Pack.  However, it’s both the least appealing and not very practical.  Although I DON’T recommend the map, the Plunder Pack itself is quite cool.

Pirates Plunder Pack map

The Plunder Pack map – dull, gray, boring, and prone to excessive creases from folding in storage.

Better Options!

Although the above ocean play mats are better than playing on less nautical surfaces (such as a wooden table or a random rug or carpet), it’s both cheap and effective to get something that really beautifies your games.

The answer?  Basic chunks of fabric.

In 2015 I went to Joann Fabrics and bought 5 different yards of blue fabric for a grand total of about $17.  At about $3/yard, I can honestly say it was one of my “best buys” of Pirates CSG ever (despite not buying any actual Pirates stuff) and transformative for both my games and associated Battle Reports.  Since that awesome purchase, I’ve used almost nothing else in my games.  I’ve attempted to rank them here.

#1 – Light, tropical, textured, “Caribbean” blue

This is a light blue fabric that makes you feel like you’re playing a game of Pirates CSG in the Caribbean!  I call it a “textured” fabric because it’s not a solid blue color, with some variation throughout to make it look a bit more like real water.

Caribbean Sea blue ocean play mat

The English and Spanish feel right at home in the “Caribbean”!

#2 – Silky shiny blue

This one is by FAR the most unique ocean I have.  It’s a completely different material than the other 4 fabrics I use, making it quite distinct.  It’s silky, smooth, shiny, and cool!  It doesn’t fold like the other fabrics, being much more susceptible to sliding around in your hands.  However, you can still wrap or fold it up easily for storage.

Silky blue ocean mat

Gorgeous and luxurious!

#3 – Dark textured blue

This is just like the “Caribbean blue”, but with darker shades of blue.  Creates more of a “deep sea exploration” feel as compared to the more tropical light blue.

dark textured blue ocean

Darker version of the other textured blue fabric.

#4 – Basic light blue

This solid colored fabric is a little more “boring”, but still provides infinitely more thematic element than the brown table below it.

Basic light blue ocean fabric

Starting setup for an “Other Worlds” game.

#5 – Basic dark blue

More of a “navy blue”, this may be the most boring of the bunch, but it still turns Pirates CSG into more of a seafaring experience.

dark blue ocean fabric

Custom islands and terrain can enhance your games even further!

Bigger Options?

If you’re like me and occasionally need a larger ocean (or oceans), there are still various options.  You can use a blue bedsheet that you may have lying around, or bought for cheap.  You could also buy more than a yard of fabric – 2 yards would give you quite a lot of space.

To avoid any extra purchases, you could also simply connect multiple (different) yards of fabric together to create one ocean.  This has the added benefit of creating a “separation” of ocean colors/textures on your map, which can be great for designating a more tropical look or a more menacing deep blue Pacific look.

Here are a few more oceans I’ve played Pirates on:

ocean play mat

Combination of bed sheet and fabric yard used in the Sea of Allost (Command the Oceans).

I’m planning to get even more ocean fabrics in the future, especially shiny ones that look like glossy water.  For example, you could use a big blue photography background for a Pirates ocean!  A simple search reveals tons of great options for affordable prices.  Just one yard can vastly improve your Pirates games forever.  😀

A Question (or two) for You

Which ocean play mat is your favorite?  Do you generally prefer lighter or darker colored oceans?  Comment below and I’ll respond!  Feel free to even rank all of them if you’d like.

Thanks for reading and let’s get in touch about Pirates CSG!  (a7xfanben@gmail.com)

-Admiral A7XfanBen

Best Crew – Optimize your crew complements to WIN

Another part of the Q&A series here at Pirates with Ben.  This was asked in the Facebook group – a question about the best crew to use.

Best Crew

Captain

Best Crew to Use

Captains and helmsmen are the most important. I’m not the biggest fan of explorers but they can be quite good as well. In terms of named crew, anything that gives extra actions is extremely good (SAC/EA/SAT/etc). It does depend on my strategy and the ship though. Empty gold runners can work pretty well, but you’re not going to have an “empty gunship”, so a lot of times the percentage of crew in a fleet is massively biased towards gunships (meaning 75-90% of crew points spent could be assigned to gunships, for example).

C+H necessary to stay competitive

Best Crew

Helmsman

Specifically, if a ship has a base move of S+S or slower, she nearly always needs a helmsman for your fleet to stay competitive (exception is empty gold runner that gets +S with no cargo). Even the recent Savage Shores anniversary game is a good example of this. Gunships always need captains, and almost always need helmsmen too.  I cannot emphasize this enough.  If you don’t use captains and helmsmen on your gunships, you will not win against competent opponents.

Extreme Cases

However, a gimmick fleet might go with very little crew or many “abnormal” crew that don’t get pure results, but are VERY fun to use. These fleets often still use captains and helmsmen as a “backbone” of sorts, in addition to the wacky stuff that make them fun and unique.  That said, if you’re strictly looking to WIN, you’re better off hammering the basics to ensure optimized fleet building.  Personally I get a little bored of winning with the same fleet or strategy all the time, so I like to change it up!

Check out my Building a Fleet page and Gameplay page for more information.  You may also find some specific crew on eBay.