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So events are kind of a new thing to me since getting back into the game so I wanted to ask what people’s thoughts on them are.
It seems to me like quite a few of them are quite strong, with events like Mermaids being able to disable heavily crewed ships for many turns for not too high of a points costs. Divers seems like another decent option if you have a point spare.
On the flip side there’s the Favor of the Gods event, which I feel like some people would pick to just shut down any events if they knew people were going to be regularly using them.
Do any of you guys use events at all or do people just generally avoid them?
Do any of you guys use events at all or do people just generally avoid them?
I hate them and vastly prefer playing games where they are banned (which happens in most of the games I’ve played nowadays). The last time I used them consistently was just for the competitive fleets in VASSAL Tournament #2, but even then Xerecs and I banned mermaids and FotG.
Yeah that makes sense. Those two cards in particular do seem a bit too strong for their cost.
Are there any events that you’ve used before that you feel have added to the game at all or do you think events are just a badly done mechanic in general?
Are there any events that you’ve used before that you feel have added to the game at all or do you think events are just a badly done mechanic in general?
I think they’re a bad mechanic and should be avoided. Some of them feel like magic, such as Becalmed and Hidden Cove (both severely overpowered). I know some abilities behave like magic too, but events have a higher propensity than just about anything else in the game to leave a sour taste in everyone’s mouth. Plus, it’s one of those gamey issues where if your opponent has any, you feel like you need to have some to compete. A single event can waylay a well-constructed fleet when played at the right time, so if you don’t have a counter (like FotG…) it could be game over. 🙁
Events are a neat idea that was very poorly implemented.
Becalmed and Mermaids were both massively game-breaking against any fleet that wasn’t specifically built to avoid them or at least minimize the effect. Players started “unofficially” banning them in games almost immediately.
Favor of the Gods, which wasn’t released until two full sets later, was nothing more than a Band-Aid that became almost mandatory to include in builds if there was even a remote chance of an opponent using one of the other events. At the same time, because it was assumed that all opponents would have FotG, that in turn made players far less likely to use those other events because they’d be immediately nullified by something that cost less. Unless it was known for sure that opponents wouldn’t be using events of their own, players more often than not tossed it into their fleet builds “just in case”; it was better than the alternative of needing it but being caught without it.
Hidden Cove worked well during playtesting, but the wording was changed at the last minute from “previously explored” to “unexplored”. Instead of the nice thematic effect of letting a ship quickly return to somewhere it had already been, it became a teleporter that instantly sent one of your ships to an island loaded with treasure… and not even FotG could do anything to prevent it.
False Treasure is a nasty effect that could potentially swing games, but the 10-point cost made it completely unplayable in anything close to a standard (40-point) fleet build. Even in 100+ point games it’s difficult to justify.
Duel almost worked, but it needed some serious limitations, particularly on ranges, and probably point limits too. There are enough high-value crew in the game to make Duel an auto-win against more common but still essential crew (especially captains), which made it way too overpowered. The fact that you could pull it out and hit someone all the way over on the other side of the table, with almost no way to defend against it, made it even worse. Maybe limit it to targeting other crew within L, and reduce the bonus to something like +1 (only) to the player who used the event and/or at most +1 to the more expensive crew, making it far more thematic but also much more risky.
Rolling Fog was… meh. It was mostly just a way to burn a leftover point if you had literally nothing else to spend it on. The effect was fine, but because it was completely random you really couldn’t use it for anything meaningful. It would have been far better as an additional (or optional) effect for the fog terrain itself, making them work more like icebergs. That, and/or give the player who placed the Event full control over where that fog bank moved.
They aren’t all bad, though. Divers provides a cool bonus for sinking an opposing ship without breaking the game, while Raft is a good way to kinda protect important stuff from being lost if an opponent gets the jump on you. It can at least buy you some time, maybe.
Cursed Zone always had some really interesting tactical uses both offensively and defensively, but you definitely had to plan around it, and the ever-looming threat of FotG meant you couldn’t rely on using it for very long.
Foul Winds was more annoying than useful, but in the right circumstances you could catch someone off-guard with it and maybe disable a small or heavily-damaged ship that thought it was in a safe place.
Thanks for the rundown Woelf.
What you talk about happening with FotG is basically what I thought would have ended up happening after reading through the events, so no surprises to me there.
I think Divers and Raft seem like the most fair events though they don’t really feel like “events” per se. They feel like they should be something like equipment with a one time effect.
Events in my mind would have been something like if Becalmed globally dropped the max movement to L for a turn for both players or something along those lines or maybe some sort of card that gave -1 to cannon rolls for both players for a turn, like “sea mist”.
In any case it does seem like a bit of a missed opportunity and I’ll probably just avoid using them for simplicity’s sake.
I think Divers and Raft seem like the most fair events though they don’t really feel like “events” per se. They feel like they should be something like equipment with a one time effect.
Both of those would have been great as equipment. For a point or two more, Divers could even be made reusable. Raft could be reusable too, assuming you went to the island and retrieved it along with the rest of your stuff.
For being called “events”, several of them felt more like crazy magic powers you used to attack your opponents. I agree they would have been much better as global effects that applied to everyone at once, for an entire round, several rounds, or even the entire game. Mechwarrior (also by Wizkids) already had cards that applied planetary conditions to the entire game, so they should have gone with something similar.
Even if they were kept as targeted effects, most of the problematic events could be retooled into UTs without too much difficulty. Becalmed and Cursed Zone could apply around the island where they were found, and could even stick around for more than one turn. Mermaids is already doing essentially the same thing as Natives, Jailhouse Dog (also Kharmic Idol/Pirata Codex) functions similar to Favor, Message in a Bottle has a similar effect to Hidden Cove, and there are several that remove treasure in various ways. Duel… can just go away, or could provide some sort of post-boarding effect.
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